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so i'm anxious to hear what mr. brennan does for justification tomorrow. sam? >> let me add one point to that which is the other thing the administration has done is well, we've been talking about this process, attorney general eric holder has been talking about this process. john brennan has been talking about this process publicly. we have outlined it. and i think there is a role for congress to play. and i would add even for the american public to play to a certain extent in judging what kind of legal justifications the administration is using. i understand the administration doesn't want to set a bad precedent here, but these are weighty matters. >> colonel, what kind of intel are we getting on the ground? i mean we have to be sure that we're not killing innocent people here. >> well, i'm going to say having spent a lot of time in combat, i can tell you any time that we have any combat operation, you're going to have innocent people killed. there is always going to be collateral damage. and indeed in the second world war, we went out of our way to kill civi
so i'm anxious to hear what mr. brennan does for justification tomorrow. sam? >> let me add one point to that which is the other thing the administration has done is well, we've been talking about this process, attorney general eric holder has been talking about this process. john brennan has been talking about this process publicly. we have outlined it. and i think there is a role for congress to play. and i would add even for the american public to play to a certain extent in judging...
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on torture mr. brennan who said in 2007 the torture had saved lives, backed away from the claim and the torture program when michigan democrat carl levin confronted him with similar statements from three bush administration officials. >> we flat out say that those statements are wrong. any basis to disagree with those? >> i do not. >> john: brennan admitted after reading a classified intelligence committee report, he couldn't say anymore that torture had worked. >> now, i have to determine what, based on that information as well as what the c.i.a. says, what the truth is. and at this point senator i do not know what the truth is. >> john: fascinating day and for more on the brennan confirmation hearings, i'm delighted to be joined by p.j. crowley, professor at george washington university, a former assistant secretary of state for president obama and a former special assistant for national security affairs under president clinton. always a pleasure. good evening. >> hello john. >> john: were you sur
on torture mr. brennan who said in 2007 the torture had saved lives, backed away from the claim and the torture program when michigan democrat carl levin confronted him with similar statements from three bush administration officials. >> we flat out say that those statements are wrong. any basis to disagree with those? >> i do not. >> john: brennan admitted after reading a classified intelligence committee report, he couldn't say anymore that torture had worked. >> now,...
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. >> sam, what is your take on what the hearings are going to be like tomorrow for mr. brennan. this should be questions right out of the chute, shouldn't it? >> yes. this is a major component of the president's war on terror. it's a major component of his foreign policy. and listen, there is a difference between operational oversight, which is what congressman rogers was stressing in the interview with andrea mitchell, and legal oversight. and up until this point we really haven't seen any legal justification that the administration has presented for why it can target american civilians abroad if it has determined an imminent threat to the homeland. >> well, it was written today in the "new yorker" that the justification that they're using is a comparison to military troops going into cambodia in vietnam. that's how the nixon aw incredie changes. ri and i think there is a role for congress to play. and i would add even for the american public to play to a certain extent in judging what kind of legal justifications the administration is using. i understand the administration doe
. >> sam, what is your take on what the hearings are going to be like tomorrow for mr. brennan. this should be questions right out of the chute, shouldn't it? >> yes. this is a major component of the president's war on terror. it's a major component of his foreign policy. and listen, there is a difference between operational oversight, which is what congressman rogers was stressing in the interview with andrea mitchell, and legal oversight. and up until this point we really haven't...
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how does the white house feel about how things went with mr. brennan? >> reporter: well, talking to folks, the democrats here in d.c., there is a lot of confidence in brennan's performance because it's the complete opposite of hagel. they felt brennan looked self-assured. he gave a spirited defense to the administration's policies and most importantly he was also humble. he said there should be more information put forward in terms of when these drone strikes occur if civilians are injured. this hearing for mr. brennan also sort of placated a lot of democrats on that committee because the white house released papers from the department of justice explaining the legal rationale behind the drone strikes. so overall, the feel something that john brennan performed admirably, that he will move forward and he will be a good director of the cia. they felt that the committee hearing went as well as it could be. what's interesting, martin, john brennan has 25 years experience at the cia and that's really what we've heard. he's the most experienced person to take
how does the white house feel about how things went with mr. brennan? >> reporter: well, talking to folks, the democrats here in d.c., there is a lot of confidence in brennan's performance because it's the complete opposite of hagel. they felt brennan looked self-assured. he gave a spirited defense to the administration's policies and most importantly he was also humble. he said there should be more information put forward in terms of when these drone strikes occur if civilians are...
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mr. brennan, what about 15, 14, 11, 9? the law cares a great deal about consent and meaningful participation. contrary to what we have in the public debate and polling which shows, yes, in general you can do it. but when you get into american children off the battlefield as conventionally defined, i think you're in tough territory and i think brennan was wrong on that. >> well, this effort -- i don't even want to call it a war -- this effort has been off the battlefield since september 11th. >> what do we call a battlefield now? >> this i think is a very serious problem. i don't think it's a question that can be answered. these are all great questions. here's what i don't see. i don't see how, under the way business is done now and how it's always been done, i don't see how any of the questions can publicly addressed. the amount of intelligence that they would have to open up and hand over to you to answer any of the questions you asked would presumably compromise everything that they were trying to do. >> i have a slight
mr. brennan, what about 15, 14, 11, 9? the law cares a great deal about consent and meaningful participation. contrary to what we have in the public debate and polling which shows, yes, in general you can do it. but when you get into american children off the battlefield as conventionally defined, i think you're in tough territory and i think brennan was wrong on that. >> well, this effort -- i don't even want to call it a war -- this effort has been off the battlefield since september...
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government make decisions as to who should be on their kill list and mr brennan would certainly be the most appropriate person to ask because he is known to have been in charge of the kill list and he's known as the architect of the administration's targeted assassinations program so the question of who the drones are targeting was critical and one of the senators asked john brennan whether there should be at least some judicial oversight over those executions by drones and here's what he said none of those actions or to determine past guilt for those actions that he took the decisions that are made or to take action so that we prevent future action to protect american lives so the rationale that john brennan gave for not going to court is that the administration is not in the business of punishing individuals but it's in the business of preventing attacks he basically says the u.s. government could execute people for what they haven't done yet you would expect a follow up questions from lawmakers as to how the administration determines the level of threat as these people constitute le
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brennan and how far down does it go? to a general? to a colonel? and there is no due process here whatsoever. and i'm curious. robert greenwald, your thoughts. why wasn't this memo released to the public by the obama administration? >> the obama administration is doing everything in its power to keep every single aspect of this disastrous and horrific policy of assassinating people in other countries. they're doing everything they can to keep it hidden. >> assassinating? you're saying -- you're saying assassinations are taking place? is that what you call it? >> yes, that's what i'm calling it. with people around the world who have not been tried by a jury, there has been no evidence against them, and we are guessing, remember this, we are guessing this and accusing them of things that we have absolutely no firm evidence about. i was in pakistan. i spent a lot of time talking to people, ed. we've talked about this. it's heartbreaking on a moral level, and it's absolutely disastrous on a security level. >> i'm surprised that there are veteran senato
brennan and how far down does it go? to a general? to a colonel? and there is no due process here whatsoever. and i'm curious. robert greenwald, your thoughts. why wasn't this memo released to the public by the obama administration? >> the obama administration is doing everything in its power to keep every single aspect of this disastrous and horrific policy of assassinating people in other countries. they're doing everything they can to keep it hidden. >> assassinating? you're...
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is that a consistent narrative from mr. brennan? >> not completely obviously saying sometimes it produces information and sometimes it isn't -- >> not enough to derail this nomination. >> i don't think so. i think brennan probably compared with hagel is going to be a breeze to get through, but these are issues and this is what this testimony actually illustrates, that really tug at the heartstrings of americans. we have had a traumatic decade. we have come away questioning tactics of torture, the use of guantanamo bay. the legal justification not fully understood. the drone issue still not fully explained because it's so secret. there's still a lot the american public is struggling to understand. >> dan, one reaction that i have relative to the whole standard of when we could take out even an american is, you know, be careful before you make your decision based on the occupant of the white house because precedent is being set here, and whatever the drill might be for today could apply to president clinton in 2016. it could apply to
is that a consistent narrative from mr. brennan? >> not completely obviously saying sometimes it produces information and sometimes it isn't -- >> not enough to derail this nomination. >> i don't think so. i think brennan probably compared with hagel is going to be a breeze to get through, but these are issues and this is what this testimony actually illustrates, that really tug at the heartstrings of americans. we have had a traumatic decade. we have come away questioning...
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please continue, mr. brennan. >> thank you, chairman. i'm honored to appear before you today as the president's nominee to lead the central intelligence agent. i'm grateful to president obama for sending my name forward. thank you for your service to our nation and strong support for those who defend it. this includes the extraordinary men and women of the cia, and inintelligence community so many of whom like me call virginia home and call you our senator. i would the not be here today without the love and support of my wife kathy, my life partner and intelligence professionals has made numerous sacrifices over the yea years. >> would you pause mr. brennan. if you would remove that individual, please, quickly as you can, thank you. [audience member talking] >> mr. brennan, please procedure. >> my wife kathy like the spouses of other service intelligence officials has made numerous sacrifices baring the brunt of family responsibility because of my profession and tribute to my three children who like the children of many cia officers and
please continue, mr. brennan. >> thank you, chairman. i'm honored to appear before you today as the president's nominee to lead the central intelligence agent. i'm grateful to president obama for sending my name forward. thank you for your service to our nation and strong support for those who defend it. this includes the extraordinary men and women of the cia, and inintelligence community so many of whom like me call virginia home and call you our senator. i would the not be here today...
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at the white house they are emphasizing brennan's experience. >> mr. brennan brings, i think, not on a vast amount of experience, but a significant perspective on the battles that we wage in this effort. and the right way to conduct them. so the president believes the senate should and will confirm john brennan expeditiously. >> reporter: expect him to get questions about how involved he was in interrogation techniques at the cia. rick: senator lindsey graham will be at today's hearing on benghazi. the top carolina republican joins us later right here in america's newsroom. martha: just hours to go before the cia nominee john brennan testifies. mr. brennan helped manage the drone program. he is very supportive of it and has spoken out on it's times. it represents a concession about it white house, do it not? >> reporter: it does. the president acting a week and a half after a group of bipartisan senators asked for the legal opinion that justifies drone attacks against americans abroad. but others say it doesn't answer how much evidence the president ne
at the white house they are emphasizing brennan's experience. >> mr. brennan brings, i think, not on a vast amount of experience, but a significant perspective on the battles that we wage in this effort. and the right way to conduct them. so the president believes the senate should and will confirm john brennan expeditiously. >> reporter: expect him to get questions about how involved he was in interrogation techniques at the cia. rick: senator lindsey graham will be at today's...
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so far so good for mr. brennan. but the drone has become the hot issue, because the obama administration has kind of changed positions in the last couple of years about, you know, tactics. >>> well, the dream of luxury living is over for a squatter in south florida. andre barbossa had taken over this foreclosed mansion, claiming an archaic law called adverse possession. but the bank of america, which owns the multimillion dollar property, had him evicted. the bank even had the locks changed and posted a 24-hour guard just to make sure the place remains unoccupied. >> this story should entertain you guys. a man in tennessee has quit his job after being linked with the number 666 through his employer several times. he received i.d. badge 666. another document also included is the so-called number of the beast. and the final straw was his recent w-2 form, when it included 666. he knew then he simply had to go. >> don't accept any papers, any telephone bills, anything with number of that. >> the company says it wants wa
so far so good for mr. brennan. but the drone has become the hot issue, because the obama administration has kind of changed positions in the last couple of years about, you know, tactics. >>> well, the dream of luxury living is over for a squatter in south florida. andre barbossa had taken over this foreclosed mansion, claiming an archaic law called adverse possession. but the bank of america, which owns the multimillion dollar property, had him evicted. the bank even had the locks...
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i think today we'll hear a lot about that when the senate does their questioning of mr. brennan. jenna: congressman, thank you very much for the time today. i know it is a busy one as always for you in capitol hill. we always appreciate you joining us, thank you. >> thanks, jenna. jon: fascinating topics on the front burner today. one lawmaker calls senator marco rubio of florida a lynchpin in getting immigration reform done. we're going to take a look why that may be the case coming up. jenna: now a fox news weather alert for you. right now blizzard watches are in effect in parts of the northeast and they will turn into blizzard warnings just a few hours from now causing some big problems for not just millions of americans along east coast but really for everybody across the country potentially. meteorologist janice dean has the latest from the extreme weather center. how fitting the title is today. >> no grocery store runs yet? video of grocery store getting the bread and the milk? i mean i joke. you know what? in boston, jenna we could actually top with this storm as the numbe
i think today we'll hear a lot about that when the senate does their questioning of mr. brennan. jenna: congressman, thank you very much for the time today. i know it is a busy one as always for you in capitol hill. we always appreciate you joining us, thank you. >> thanks, jenna. jon: fascinating topics on the front burner today. one lawmaker calls senator marco rubio of florida a lynchpin in getting immigration reform done. we're going to take a look why that may be the case coming up....
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as a matter of public record, mr. brennan, that the raid that killed osama bin laden was carried out under the authority of cia director leon panetta. that tells you that it's been used in one country. i want you to hear that if these authorities have been used in any other countries, you'll provide this committee with the full list. now, will you give us that assurance? >> you're talking about an historical list, are you not? as far as any time, anywhere where the cia was involved in such a lethal operation? >> yes. >> i would have to go back and take a look at that request. certainly anything that -- if i were to go to the cia and the cia was involved in any type of legal activity, i would make sure that the committee has that list. >> that's a good start. >> thank you, senator. >> senator rich? >> john bren mnan in the hot se today chaired by dianne feinstein asking some fiery questions. that was democrat from oregon, democrat ron with wyden bringing up an issue we anticipated, that being u.s. drones. it's been ver
as a matter of public record, mr. brennan, that the raid that killed osama bin laden was carried out under the authority of cia director leon panetta. that tells you that it's been used in one country. i want you to hear that if these authorities have been used in any other countries, you'll provide this committee with the full list. now, will you give us that assurance? >> you're talking about an historical list, are you not? as far as any time, anywhere where the cia was involved in...
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brennan has been forthright on the issue of terrorism. he declined to define waterboarding as terrorism in the hearings. the administration has been very clear. leon panetta when he was head of the cia was clear that it is torture and the u.s. does not engage in torture. while there is a continuation of policies related to drones and targeted assassinations, i don't think that there is necessarily a continuation of or ttorture. >> well, the debate we are not having is what are the contours of this, and if we want to win hearts and minds to go back to a vietnam plauz, what are thrase, the contours of this? will it expand and come back to hit us in a strong way? >> as someone who knows the pro and con intell and we send people into the area to make people suspicious of each other, and killed people in a domestic sphere, aed on the know the ugliness and the nastiness of that and the ways in which have sat over and against any american notice that we are not the kind of country that does that, but to get on the other side of co-intel to say i
brennan has been forthright on the issue of terrorism. he declined to define waterboarding as terrorism in the hearings. the administration has been very clear. leon panetta when he was head of the cia was clear that it is torture and the u.s. does not engage in torture. while there is a continuation of policies related to drones and targeted assassinations, i don't think that there is necessarily a continuation of or ttorture. >> well, the debate we are not having is what are the...
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. >> reporter: a former senior intelligence official told fox news if in fact mr. brennan agreed with the report's findings it will be virtually impossible for him to lead the agency workforce in the words of this official, he should just save the cab fare for langley. jenna? jenna: save the cab fare. big story today and big story for the year ahead about who will be heading up this agency. thank you so much. >> reporter: you're west come. >> the things he said helped me to gain a different perspective and step back and take a look at my life and, i realized things weren't going anywhere, they probably weren't for travis i may have continued on like that. jon: jodi arias describing their happier times with a boyfriend she accused stabbing more than two dozen times before slitting is his throat and shooting him in what she claims is self-defense. this dramatic murder trial gets you know way again in arizona. adam housley has the latest. he is watching it from los angeles. so she's been testifying adam about the relationship between herself and the man she now admits
. >> reporter: a former senior intelligence official told fox news if in fact mr. brennan agreed with the report's findings it will be virtually impossible for him to lead the agency workforce in the words of this official, he should just save the cab fare for langley. jenna? jenna: save the cab fare. big story today and big story for the year ahead about who will be heading up this agency. thank you so much. >> reporter: you're west come. >> the things he said helped me to...
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>>steve: it is mr. brennan's appearance before this committee today for his confirmation that lawmakers feel if we're ever going to get answers regarding the program, it's now. that's why it is extraordinary and probably a little coincidental that they would go ahead and relent and release it to the lawmakers today. >>brian: here's what's good about it. we're going to get real questions from both sides rather than what a great guy you are, what a horrible person you are, and speech making. wur going to get both sides probing john brennan in a respectful way, i believe, to legitimize some of the tactics when he was working counterterror for the center. charles krauthammer looks at constitutional hurdles and why in some ways this could be challenging. >> they want to pretend you can only hit an american al qaeda operative who is an imminent threat and define him in a threat out of existence by sayinal qaeda is continually hatching plots, so he's always, all day and all night, an imminent threat, i.e., tha
>>steve: it is mr. brennan's appearance before this committee today for his confirmation that lawmakers feel if we're ever going to get answers regarding the program, it's now. that's why it is extraordinary and probably a little coincidental that they would go ahead and relent and release it to the lawmakers today. >>brian: here's what's good about it. we're going to get real questions from both sides rather than what a great guy you are, what a horrible person you are, and speech...
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it was explosive at times with brenn brennan defending the action. >> with the exception of mr. panetta, i feel like i've been jerked around by every cia director. >> 11 united states senators asked to see any and all legal opinions but when i went to read the opinions this morning, it is not clear that that is what was provided. >> we only take such actions as a last resort to save lives, when there's no other alternative to taking an action that's going to mitigate that threat. >> they won't even tell congress what countries we are killing children in. >> please -- >> senator feinstein zsh if you could please expedite the removal. >>> we have michael isakoff, and the correspondent who obtained the white page memo, jim warren, chicago editor of the daily beast and newsweek and karen finney and john braybender. michael, i want to start with you because it was your reporting that started all of this for the american people to get to learn more about how the administration feels it is legal in the choices made for drone strikes. one thing politico is reporting in the article that
it was explosive at times with brenn brennan defending the action. >> with the exception of mr. panetta, i feel like i've been jerked around by every cia director. >> 11 united states senators asked to see any and all legal opinions but when i went to read the opinions this morning, it is not clear that that is what was provided. >> we only take such actions as a last resort to save lives, when there's no other alternative to taking an action that's going to mitigate that...
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we are also going to have another classified session with mr. brennan next week. that would give me an opportunity to raise additional questions in this area. right now, i can tell you, i think his biggest challenge in the committee it is a bi-partisan one, is making sure that our committee request get access to the document that we need to conduct oversight. >> bill: you may not be able to answer this question but i want to try it maybe a little differently. for a decision -- >> you are a good journalist. >> bill: or just a pain in the ass. i don't know. but for a decision to target and kill around american citizens overseas because we believe he has been a member of a terrorist organization is that correct decision made by the president of the united states himself? >> again you can't get in to any of these operational, you know, details with respect an issue like that. here is how i come to it. >> bill: okay. >> i believe strongly, bill, that every american has a right to know when their government believes it's shroud to kill them. >> that's where i start this
we are also going to have another classified session with mr. brennan next week. that would give me an opportunity to raise additional questions in this area. right now, i can tell you, i think his biggest challenge in the committee it is a bi-partisan one, is making sure that our committee request get access to the document that we need to conduct oversight. >> bill: you may not be able to answer this question but i want to try it maybe a little differently. for a decision -- >>...
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. >> reporter: late wednesday, mr. obama directed that the house and senate intelligence committees be given a classified memo on drone strikes abroad. it lays out the legal rationale for targeting american terrorism suspects. brennan has helped manage the program. oregon democrat ron wyden had pressed for release of the memo. he went directly to the issue during his first pass at questioning brennan. >> what should be done next to ensure that public conversation about drones so american people are brought into debate and have full understand what rules the government is going to observe when it conducts targeted killings. >> this hearing is one of the i think there is a misimpression on some of the am people that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take such actions as a last resort to save lives when there is no other alternative to taking an action that's going to mitigate that threat. so we need to make sure there's an understanding, and the
. >> reporter: late wednesday, mr. obama directed that the house and senate intelligence committees be given a classified memo on drone strikes abroad. it lays out the legal rationale for targeting american terrorism suspects. brennan has helped manage the program. oregon democrat ron wyden had pressed for release of the memo. he went directly to the issue during his first pass at questioning brennan. >> what should be done next to ensure that public conversation about drones so...